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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to

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have your paradigm shifted in their

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truths questioned and now shattered

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reality well here we are again and I

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know you want to slate the show

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ferocious oh go ahead this is Kate

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Valentine and of course ferocious hi

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today is May 23rd 23rd 2017

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I'm foucha and I'm here with Kate

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Valentine and like she said this is our

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shattered reality podcast and we're so

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happy to have you with us today because

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we have a really really unusual and

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interesting guest and the the art one of

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the oddest things about this is he's

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also from Sheffield in England which is

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the same place our last podcasts guest

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was from Milton dr. Milton Wainwright

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with the with the wonderful weather

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balloons and high-altitude yeah and all

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that good soccer organisms from above

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so apparently Sheffield in in England

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the UK is a hotbed of new-age

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experimentation because today we have

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dr. Philip Davidson who would like to be

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known as dr. Phil for the rest of the

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that's slightly slightly implausible and

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dr. Phil Davidson our friend here

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he started out his working life as an IT

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guy and he traveled all over the world

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from multinational corporations and

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spent a few years quite a few years in

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Hong Kong doing just that and when he

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got back to jolly old what did he do

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he went into consciousness research he

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got his PhD in psychology and he became

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amongst other things a bereavement

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counselor but in in this very special

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way yes yes and in this bereavement he

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noticed that parents were very very

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upset when they lost a child

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understandably so and and often they

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didn't get over it for years and years

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in the rest of their lives so he

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continued on with consciousness research

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and I met dr. Phil Davidson at the

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Monroe Institute where he was a

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professor of the Professional Division

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as am i and he's been studying

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consciousness for a long time and he has

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a special program for allowing people to

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contact their lost loved ones so now

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without any further ado dr. Philip

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the center of consciousness research I

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that because that's everything you know

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I think um thank you for that intro I

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just want to go back a little bit there

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and just kind of pick up where we can I

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was an intern an IT Director in

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multinationals working in asia-pacific

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person's life when they kind of decide

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that is this the right job for me and I

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think it was one of those days when

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about three or four hundred people had

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been screaming at me about their IT

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systems when I decided I don't know if I

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want to work in IT anymore and I think

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that's when you know when all the kind

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of powers that be come together in the

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cosmos and you think to yourself I need

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to change what I'm doing and always been

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it's like can I go from information

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technology straight into psychology and

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as it happens yes we can especially when

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you leave your job and everybody

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screaming at you saying why are you

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leaving and you don't really want to

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tell them why because you've just had

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enough mm-hm and I remember going to the

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study psychology here and the woman

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looking at me saying hey you're pretty

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old I always say you guys here and I

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thinking well thank you very much for

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that that a vote of confidence but what

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did happen after that was I was accepted

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into one of the top universities in the

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UK I think mostly because I said things

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along the lines of I'm really really

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clean and I have money and I want to

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study and they were nodding their head

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saying yes we like the fact you've got

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money and want to study so they took me

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to the cause and never really looked

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psychology I always wanted to know about

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consciousness different types of

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experiences that people had and you hear

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that they can do and it's like is any of

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this stuff real and and what did it say

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in kind of normal psychology about these

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types of experiences that are very

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anomalous and so going through an

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undergraduate degree there's nothing

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spoken about consciousness and it's like

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what the hell is going on here so it's a

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case of I really thinking in the third

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year on the graduate degree you need to

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do a big project and I thought what can

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someone's perception of the world alter

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their conscious experience and so I

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friends in the university and we were I

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was able to successfully change his

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experience of certain things and it's

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like to me this thought said it seems to

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be a crack in the door here your

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conscious experience of the world is one

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thing but it seems that you can alter it

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of experiences so I decided that I want

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to stay on and do a PhD and it's really

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when I decided to do the research into

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this that you know the real fun started

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on first years to do experiments and all

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good experiments and ethical and

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aboveboard but really I was able to then

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processes that allowed you to move from

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this waking state of consciousness that

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consciousness which I suppose I can only

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type of access when people talk about

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things like hey you know I was I was

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dreaming and then I kind of woke up in

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my dream and I started to fly around and

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do all this kind of weird stuff I mean

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these types of experiences that people

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taxis experiences I could produce in in

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participants using my psychological

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techniques and it's like there seems to

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be a common thread here so I call this

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technique EVT because you can't after a

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while you need to call it something I

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saw like I'd tell I'll call EVT and what

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so many subjects and we're going to take

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them through the process and then we're

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experiences when you went from this

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other state that we called EBT and it

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have very similar types of experience

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the feelings of kind of becoming very

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unconscious and so over many years of

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research in my PhD kind of mapped out

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everything that you needed to do to move

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people who came to do the experiment and

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that you know they close that they're

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I'm contacting aliens and I can see this

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the other in fact you're looking at your

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clock and going they've been in for the

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other night it's a bit like when you

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drill for oil you know it's sometimes

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when you're drilling into the ground

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they all come straight out because it's

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just beneath the surface and what I

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found is these people only needed a

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little bit of encouragement or a small

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number of techniques and they were able

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to access their own Contras immediately

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it's like and off they go and then they

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techniques and trying to get them

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able to freely move around within their

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own conscious and experience all the

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things that the other people experienced

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people who are very hard so what you

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dedication here I would sit them in the

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chair relax them and I'm really talking

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think I can see something oh I'm in

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I've got this a wonderful place or this

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kind of store so there were three types

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of people that kind of came to do the

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experiment and it's only via the

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experimentation that you worked out some

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people have access very easily it's a

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very thin met that kind of resistance

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some people what I call kind of middle

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too easy they are the majority of people

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in the world it takes you a few hours to

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get them in and then these people are

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quite hard they're quite resistant you

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may spend all day kind of drilling on

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that person trying to get them to a

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state where the totally relaxed and then

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can move over and access their

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unconscious so that process we call what

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I call those EVT and I did a lot of

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experimentation with a friend there and

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it was during that experimentation that

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kind of mapped out everything that

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needed to happen to get you from here

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all the way over to there and all the

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steps in between and all the signs and

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signals that said yes we're going along

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the right place you go into the right

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fourth type of person I think you did

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that that that type of person that was

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so left brain that they kept thinking

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about well what does this mean and why

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am I doing this while it was happening

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this kind of I call like concrete people

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they're very concrete very analytical

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and and as you're saying Oh relax let go

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allow yourself to just get absorbed into

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the and they're saying I think I'm I'm

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getting relaxed now it's like yes very

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interesting now be quiet and relax and

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close your eyes and just let go

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I think I'm relaxing more now it's like

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okay

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right and that can go on for a very very

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long time

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and I do remember one particular guy and

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I think I need to get a medal or a badge

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for sort of efforts I spent four days on

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this guy and we're talking six seven

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hours a day and it's like what the heck

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is this guy doing and so what I learned

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with these guys that are very very hard

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to get in that the part of the process

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had to be that every time I did a part

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of the technique I needed to stop the

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technique and I needed to sit them down

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and say now tell me everything that's

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going on in your head because what

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tended to happen was people were saying

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yes I'm relaxing it's great and keep

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going and it's like no no you need to

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tell me more so they'd say things like

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well as I was relaxing nothing really

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happened and you're thinking okay what

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does nothing mean to you well as I was

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relaxing and nothing was happening this

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guy was talking to me and he was telling

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me that you know man's destiny in the

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world is just like anger world world

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world so this is not thing happening

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yeah nothing was happening

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all right well who was this guy you were

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talking to oh we had a really long

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conversation we were talking about the

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nature of reality why we're here what

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man's destiny is how I can contribute

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and I'm thinking okay that's nothing

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happening so for me it was the kind of a

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bit of a wake-up call I need to really

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really interrogate these people as to

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the nature of their experience so I'd

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say tell me what nothing is to you tell

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me what not much is happening and you'd

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find that in this kind of murasa there's

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nothing happening all kinds of

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experiences were being reported so

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things like that was interesting

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you know 40 minutes and they come out

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and they're looking okay bit

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disappointed maybe it's like so tell me

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about this nothing than that nothing's

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going on there's nothing happening they

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said well you know I was on a bridge I

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was chatting to this guy I just couldn't

331
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believe how amazingly detailed his code

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was and I kept talking to him about this

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down kneel and it's like okay to you

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that doesn't mean anything but what it

335
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really meant to them is it's not the

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experience I was expecting as always an

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amazing fantastic experience to me like

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yes jackpot

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gold we can move from there to them it

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was like no no I wanted to meet such and

341
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such a person or I wanted to go to such

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and such a place and I didn't seem to be

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able to get there and all these kinds of

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things so we're talking like five to ten

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years of this kind of experimentation

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and experience reporting where I kind of

347
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sifted together what do they need to get

348
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to this place what do I need to do

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psychologically what do I need to

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prepare upfront how do I move them

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across from the waking state to this

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other state but then importantly once

353
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they're over there there's certain

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things we need to do straight away

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because if you just leave people to

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wander around in that state with in

357
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their mind you get can get into all

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kinds of trouble wandering around and

359
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doing stupid things so I kind of set up

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a kind of structure and a pro-forma this

361
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is what you need to get in this is what

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you're going to do when you get in this

363
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is who you're gonna meet this is the

364
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contact you're going to set up this is

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the kind of environment you're going to

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create and it's going to be happy and

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upbeat and high-energy so the

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experiences I have will be a reflection

369
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of the state that you're in so that was

370
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how he beauty was born like this EVT

371
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stand for for me was enhanced

372
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visualization technique okay because my

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PhD was all about mental imagery

374
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imaginative consciousness and how they

375
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all related to one another and how could

376
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you enhance one over the other and what

377
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does it mean to have imagination and you

378
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know ultimately the research shows that

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imagination in the waking State is this

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very dim cousin of the imaginative

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consciousness that you have when you

382
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going to this other state where in

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essence you can have any type of

384
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experience that you want what kind of

385
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techniques did you use was that like a

386
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hypnotic type it's it's well the good

387
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thing is is although I do have a diploma

388
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in clinical hypnotherapy it's not really

389
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a hypnotic technique a lot of it is

390
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geared towards losing your body image

391
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and what does that mean so for example

392
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if I say to you now close your eyes and

393
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put your finger on your nose hopefully

394
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if you haven't had a few beers you will

395
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know exactly where your nose isn't put

396
00:16:18,730 --> 00:16:17,089
your finger on it you don't need to look

397
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in a mirror or try and work out what's

398
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happening and that's because your mind

399
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keeps a map of where every part of your

400
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body is and the idea is that what you

401
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want the mind to do is to lose that body

402
00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:31,100
image that proprioception as we would

403
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call it so there's a lot of relaxation

404
00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:36,320
involved until it feels like your body

405
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is becoming numb that's the state that

406
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we're trying to get to to start with

407
00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:42,800
that's very very important because

408
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without that nothing is going to happen

409
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so people say yeah yeah feeling really

410
00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:51,290
relaxed now like okay the fact that

411
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you're talking for me and the fact that

412
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you're asking questions tells me that

413
00:16:58,450 --> 00:16:56,450
you're not really in that relaxed state

414
00:17:02,770 --> 00:16:58,460
of maybe physically but now I need to

415
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mentally relax you I need to kind of dim

416
00:17:06,429 --> 00:17:04,670
down the waking consciousness I allow

417
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:06,439
that to go down and then as that comes

418
00:17:11,169 --> 00:17:09,199
down another type of consciousness very

419
00:17:14,890 --> 00:17:11,179
very subtle type of consciousness starts

420
00:17:17,020 --> 00:17:14,900
to rise up but it's very very fragile if

421
00:17:18,490 --> 00:17:17,030
during that case as one's coming down

422
00:17:20,829 --> 00:17:18,500
and the other ones slowly come and go up

423
00:17:22,329 --> 00:17:20,839
if you start to ask questions using your

424
00:17:24,189 --> 00:17:22,339
analytical part of your mind

425
00:17:25,870 --> 00:17:24,199
an analytical type of consciousness

426
00:17:28,449 --> 00:17:25,880
arises and crushes the other

427
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:28,459
consciousness so what tends to happen is

428
00:17:33,550 --> 00:17:31,280
as I relax people and the same you know

429
00:17:34,990 --> 00:17:33,560
relax that go imagine all kinds of

430
00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:35,000
things happening to your body that relax

431
00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:37,150
you if they let's start asking questions

432
00:17:41,620 --> 00:17:39,650
this all the consciousness gets crushed

433
00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:41,630
down and then this analytical waking

434
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:44,210
conscious that comes in so I advise them

435
00:17:48,190 --> 00:17:46,400
not to keep endlessly asking questions

436
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:48,200
about things because they are stopping

437
00:17:53,140 --> 00:17:50,000
this for the consciousness from rising

438
00:17:53,950 --> 00:17:53,150
up is this state similar to what is

439
00:17:58,389 --> 00:17:53,960
known as the

440
00:18:02,409 --> 00:17:58,399
liminal state what is the liminal state

441
00:18:04,180 --> 00:18:02,419
mating the liminal state is right before

442
00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:04,190
you go to sleep and right as you're

443
00:18:10,180 --> 00:18:06,710
waking up it's a state of semi

444
00:18:14,380 --> 00:18:10,190
consciousness when you might be running

445
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:14,390
some high alpha waves I guess hmm I

446
00:18:19,210 --> 00:18:16,970
suppose one of the things I want to say

447
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:19,220
about evey T's at no point during any of

448
00:18:24,430 --> 00:18:20,960
this state do you disappear or lose

449
00:18:26,889 --> 00:18:24,440
consciousness or you know you leave the

450
00:18:28,990 --> 00:18:26,899
world or become unconscious you are

451
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:29,000
conscious all the way through it and I

452
00:18:35,860 --> 00:18:33,919
suppose worry is is a I've looked at

453
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:35,870
some Buddhists meditation techniques

454
00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:38,240
extremely advanced where they're able to

455
00:18:43,620 --> 00:18:40,850
move straight from the waking state into

456
00:18:47,769 --> 00:18:43,630
this altered state of consciousness and

457
00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:47,779
EVT is of that except that they're doing

458
00:18:53,049 --> 00:18:49,850
it by themselves and to start with I

459
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:53,059
guide you I get you to that state fully

460
00:18:57,159 --> 00:18:55,010
aware of what's happening fully aware of

461
00:19:00,460 --> 00:18:57,169
what's what six what you're experiencing

462
00:19:03,970 --> 00:19:00,470
around you and then moving you and as I

463
00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:03,980
said I suppose holding your hand for

464
00:19:06,639 --> 00:19:05,750
want of a better word to move you into

465
00:19:12,909 --> 00:19:06,649
this other state

466
00:19:15,970 --> 00:19:12,919
certain things within the mind and then

467
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:15,980
from there you explore and then I teach

468
00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:17,570
people how to enter that state

469
00:19:22,510 --> 00:19:19,669
themselves without me doing anything in

470
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:22,520
in a typical session last in a day or

471
00:19:27,159 --> 00:19:24,770
two they might go into that state say

472
00:19:29,289 --> 00:19:27,169
ten or fifteen times by themselves and

473
00:19:31,060 --> 00:19:29,299
by the time they leave me they're able

474
00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:31,070
to access that or the state of

475
00:19:36,909 --> 00:19:33,950
consciousness anytime that they want so

476
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:36,919
this is not a explore and have an

477
00:19:41,529 --> 00:19:39,200
interesting experience this is opening

478
00:19:43,870 --> 00:19:41,539
up and type what we call in psychology

479
00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:43,880
were creating an access consciousness

480
00:19:48,430 --> 00:19:46,370
it's almost like a ladder from this

481
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:48,440
waking consciousness to that other type

482
00:19:52,389 --> 00:19:50,450
of consciousness and they can lift that

483
00:19:55,090 --> 00:19:52,399
ladder up whenever you want go across

484
00:19:57,340 --> 00:19:55,100
explore decide if you want to finish now

485
00:19:59,620 --> 00:19:57,350
take a ladder down and come back wide

486
00:20:01,299 --> 00:19:59,630
awake so this isn't this isn't saying

487
00:20:03,250 --> 00:20:01,309
you have to keep coming back to me and

488
00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:03,260
only I've got the key and you have to

489
00:20:09,940 --> 00:20:06,710
keep coming back I create that for you

490
00:20:12,370 --> 00:20:09,950
and then together we test it over and

491
00:20:14,980 --> 00:20:12,380
over and then I show you how to open it

492
00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:14,990
and close it and then how to on what

493
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:16,550
types of things you can experience and

494
00:20:22,540 --> 00:20:19,490
move into that's very different from the

495
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:22,550
other guests that are described like you

496
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:25,010
know like sort of out of body

497
00:20:28,810 --> 00:20:27,110
experiences and so on because those

498
00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:28,820
people have been unconscious in the

499
00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:34,370
conscious yeah sometimes but I've had

500
00:20:38,650 --> 00:20:36,710
the experience where in terms of an

501
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:38,660
out-of-body state I would call an EVT

502
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:41,600
state kind of like an outer-body state

503
00:20:46,780 --> 00:20:44,450
so for want of a better word but be what

504
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:46,790
you were aware of it on your conscious

505
00:20:53,740 --> 00:20:49,250
level is it's same time yeah well the

506
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:53,750
thing is stiff what it's well yes you

507
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:55,250
can enter an out-of-body state

508
00:21:00,730 --> 00:20:57,050
consciously without losing consciousness

509
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:00,740
a lot of people feel they need to become

510
00:21:05,530 --> 00:21:02,690
unconscious and kind of wake up in the

511
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:05,540
OBE stay mm-hmm but with EVT you don't

512
00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:07,250
have to lose consciousness so you can

513
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:09,590
move to the OBE state directly so you

514
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:11,930
don't I know that in lucid dreaming

515
00:21:16,420 --> 00:21:14,240
right sometimes I will go to sleep and

516
00:21:19,540 --> 00:21:16,430
wake up in a lucid dream like hey great

517
00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:19,550
wonderful but with EVT you don't lose

518
00:21:23,530 --> 00:21:21,830
consciousness what you do is the wake

519
00:21:26,650 --> 00:21:23,540
the thing that drives your waking

520
00:21:28,900 --> 00:21:26,660
experience of reality dies right down

521
00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:28,910
and then this other consciousness that

522
00:21:33,220 --> 00:21:30,710
might be something like dream

523
00:21:34,450 --> 00:21:33,230
consciousness OBE consciousness NDE

524
00:21:36,850 --> 00:21:34,460
consciousness whatever you want to call

525
00:21:38,410 --> 00:21:36,860
it starts to rise opening you kind of

526
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,420
follow the wave with it and then you go

527
00:21:43,180 --> 00:21:40,640
into it and this techniques to show you

528
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:43,190
how to go in and how to establish a kind

529
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,170
of a bridgehead how to consolidate that

530
00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:48,080
and then how to explore on from there so

531
00:21:58,930 --> 00:21:54,470
sold Phil how does this relate to your

532
00:22:02,320 --> 00:21:58,940
grieving practice you're helping people

533
00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:02,330
with their grieving sure so that that

534
00:22:06,730 --> 00:22:04,100
side of it so for me it was like hey

535
00:22:09,250 --> 00:22:06,740
this is fascinating you know if I take a

536
00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:09,260
normal EVP session once they are in I

537
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:10,910
will introduce them to their higher self

538
00:22:14,890 --> 00:22:13,010
there'll be a kind of introduction and

539
00:22:17,260 --> 00:22:14,900
explanation of what the higher self is

540
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,270
they can have that conversation forever

541
00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:19,280
and I then use the higher self as the

542
00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:20,280
guide to

543
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:23,190
space so the highest up is going to look

544
00:22:27,050 --> 00:22:24,720
after that person and make sure they

545
00:22:30,650 --> 00:22:27,060
don't get into trouble one of the things

546
00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:30,660
that move me towards the what about

547
00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:32,760
people who have lost people who are

548
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:34,200
passed over and all this kind of thing

549
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:35,880
is it started with my mother when my

550
00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:38,850
father died and I think it's you know

551
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:42,900
when I think with in my mom and dad's

552
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:44,850
day that kind of couples stay together

553
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:45,780
forever

554
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:47,970
and they were kind of life partners and

555
00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:51,090
when my father died my mother just lost

556
00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:52,110
it completely

557
00:22:57,620 --> 00:22:55,110
and she she basically wanted to join my

558
00:22:59,600 --> 00:22:57,630
father and I and I was thinking what can

559
00:23:01,610 --> 00:22:59,610
I do what can I do what the hell can I

560
00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:01,620
do it's like every day my mother was

561
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:04,140
cramming for like a year she was crying

562
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:06,090
and distraught and depressed and didn't

563
00:23:09,650 --> 00:23:07,200
want to live and all these things like

564
00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:09,660
for me was soul destroying I was

565
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:14,070
thinking what if I use EVT get her

566
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:16,890
contact higher cell and then we agree

567
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:19,110
with the higher cell that we can go and

568
00:23:24,170 --> 00:23:22,290
meet my father that's how it all started

569
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:24,180
with my mother let me ask you one thing

570
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:26,280
I'm going to interrupt you because we

571
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:28,170
have to understand that not everybody

572
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:31,770
here knows what the higher self is which

573
00:23:37,390 --> 00:23:34,530
is to say I have a understanding of it

574
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:37,400
and Kate probably does but we could have

575
00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:41,220
we could have people listening to us and

576
00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:42,660
they don't know what you mean by higher

577
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:45,960
self so I'm just going to interrupt you

578
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:48,090
for a second and you will explain what

579
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,170
you mean by higher self certainly okay

580
00:23:58,180 --> 00:23:54,720
within every single person there is a

581
00:24:01,940 --> 00:23:58,190
totally actualize consolidated

582
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:01,950
integrated part of them which we call

583
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:02,610
the higher-self

584
00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:05,310
some people call it soul some people

585
00:24:12,260 --> 00:24:09,060
call it other things but the non I

586
00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:12,270
suppose the simplest way to describe it

587
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:15,000
is this an aspect of you which is just

588
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:17,880
totally integrated and actualized knows

589
00:24:21,380 --> 00:24:20,100
everything that you need to do know is

590
00:24:24,140 --> 00:24:21,390
everything that you've done previously

591
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:24,150
knows what you should be doing but since

592
00:24:27,650 --> 00:24:25,320
you have free will

593
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:27,660
well what you do what you are doing and

594
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:28,890
then be looking at you saying why the

595
00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:31,080
heck are you doing that but it's this

596
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,910
part of you that gives you can give you

597
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:34,080
unconditional law

598
00:24:38,490 --> 00:24:37,090
and can help you explore that state it's

599
00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:38,500
the bear view that remains after

600
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:41,080
everything else is gone and some people

601
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,610
would say that it extends across

602
00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:44,320
multiple lifetimes and it's with you

603
00:24:49,980 --> 00:24:47,529
forever but that's the part of you that

604
00:24:52,350 --> 00:24:49,990
knows exactly what needs to be done that

605
00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:52,360
lives in that space all the time and

606
00:24:58,499 --> 00:24:56,049
knows exactly everything about you your

607
00:25:00,869 --> 00:24:58,509
purpose what you need to do how you need

608
00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:00,879
to do it and in what ways that needs to

609
00:25:07,529 --> 00:25:04,360
be achieved in I don't want to wander

610
00:25:09,149 --> 00:25:07,539
into the Buriti kind of wordy stuff but

611
00:25:13,289 --> 00:25:09,159
this is definitely a constant within

612
00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:13,299
mind that he is you know if you ever

613
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:14,740
thought you were ever alone in the world

614
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:16,809
once you make your higher self you know

615
00:25:20,490 --> 00:25:19,210
emphatically that you are never ever

616
00:25:23,340 --> 00:25:20,500
alone in this world

617
00:25:25,740 --> 00:25:23,350
and that this part of you is there loves

618
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:25,750
you unconditionally and is with you all

619
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:28,690
the time even if you even if you sense

620
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:31,570
them or not with you all the time well

621
00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:33,850
that was a very good explanation and I'm

622
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,870
sorry to have taken you war for a script

623
00:25:42,629 --> 00:25:40,000
there in a certain sense of we were with

624
00:25:44,190 --> 00:25:42,639
your mother in her bereavement so yeah

625
00:25:46,889 --> 00:25:44,200
sure no problem

626
00:25:49,619 --> 00:25:46,899
like to go back to that yeah sure so did

627
00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:49,629
your mother agree with most of your work

628
00:25:54,779 --> 00:25:52,299
at that before you started to help her

629
00:25:57,930 --> 00:25:54,789
through bereavement what did she feel it

630
00:25:59,460 --> 00:25:57,940
was sort of a little bit out there it's

631
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,470
you know it's really interesting it's

632
00:26:04,019 --> 00:26:02,320
like I think it's all mothers and

633
00:26:05,999 --> 00:26:04,029
daughters and mothers and songs and

634
00:26:07,379 --> 00:26:06,009
anything to do with your mother they're

635
00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:07,389
going they're going oh that's wonderful

636
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:08,830
that they're stroking your head if

637
00:26:17,539 --> 00:26:10,090
you're looking at their eyes and you're

638
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:19,799
that's going are you grinding your teeth

639
00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:24,129
on those things they love you

640
00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:27,429
unconditionally you do want to kind of

641
00:26:31,259 --> 00:26:29,470
stroke there it's very exciting

642
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:31,269
relationships that everyone has with

643
00:26:36,269 --> 00:26:33,730
their mother so she was kind of like

644
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:36,279
well you know I'll give it a go right

645
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,440
well thank you very much more I shall

646
00:26:44,399 --> 00:26:41,200
give it a gun to like let's have a bit

647
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:44,409
of fun so it was a case of I said okay

648
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:47,530
relax off we go so my mother

649
00:26:53,910 --> 00:26:50,050
I put there on that scale she was kind

650
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:53,920
of middle upper-middle not very easy but

651
00:26:57,900 --> 00:26:55,570
one of these people that she responded

652
00:27:00,120 --> 00:26:57,910
very well and I normally when they talk

653
00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:00,130
to people you know especially psychology

654
00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:02,230
say never work on any of your family

655
00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:04,600
never work on your parents even though

656
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:08,470
the parents need the most work and I'm

657
00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:12,090
sure my sons don't think I need any work

658
00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:14,800
so my mother was very responsive it's

659
00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:17,020
like okay so I taught her all the

660
00:27:20,970 --> 00:27:19,150
techniques so to start with it's a bit

661
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,980
laborious build you know getting a

662
00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:22,960
relaxed building up the access point

663
00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:25,300
it's the unconscious that's kind of like

664
00:27:30,570 --> 00:27:28,270
a lock and I need to make a key and the

665
00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:30,580
process for every single person is

666
00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:33,070
different but it has a very common part

667
00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:36,040
so it's a lock and key affair I generate

668
00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:38,350
the key the unconscious have the lock we

669
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:39,820
put the key in the lock

670
00:27:44,850 --> 00:27:43,120
turn it we have access to how to meet

671
00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:44,860
her higher self taught her how to

672
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:46,390
experiment within that environment

673
00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:48,310
because you need to get used to things

674
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:49,990
like well and just go in to fly around

675
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:52,210
in the sky for a bit well this isn't

676
00:27:55,710 --> 00:27:53,890
like flying in the sky where you're

677
00:27:58,290 --> 00:27:55,720
thinking you're flying in the sky you

678
00:28:00,240 --> 00:27:58,300
are in the sky looking down a thousand

679
00:28:02,670 --> 00:28:00,250
feet going oh my god

680
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:02,680
I think I'm gonna be sick because you

681
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:04,870
are up in the air you're zooming towards

682
00:28:09,150 --> 00:28:07,510
the Earth you're out in space you don't

683
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:09,160
know the water it's one of those

684
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:11,530
environments where you really have to

685
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:13,450
get used to being there to understand

686
00:28:18,090 --> 00:28:15,370
the rules that govern that environment

687
00:28:20,250 --> 00:28:18,100
and then it was a case of right this is

688
00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:20,260
what we want to do so with negotiation

689
00:28:26,190 --> 00:28:22,900
with her high self it's a case of I want

690
00:28:28,770 --> 00:28:26,200
to meet my mother to meet my father

691
00:28:31,050 --> 00:28:28,780
and once the higher self says yeah that

692
00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:31,060
can be done no problem it's merely a

693
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:32,860
case of where's the meeting place and

694
00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:35,290
then meeting there and then it's a case

695
00:28:40,110 --> 00:28:37,270
of because EVT allows you access to that

696
00:28:42,660 --> 00:28:40,120
space anytime you want my mother could

697
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:42,670
go see my father anytime she wanted

698
00:28:50,820 --> 00:28:48,490
after that there you go my mother was

699
00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:50,830
not happy enough with that no no a

700
00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:54,550
mother was ever happy yes they are we

701
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:57,310
love them so much it's a case of my

702
00:29:00,680 --> 00:28:58,620
mother

703
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:00,690
a little bit bit of a trick it's like

704
00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:03,809
mmm so I came in one day hi mom how you

705
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:07,830
doing oh happy all that and she's sat

706
00:29:13,220 --> 00:29:09,900
there talking like what's going on I

707
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:13,230
brought your father in why what the hell

708
00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:14,970
are you talking about so she wasn't

709
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:17,070
content with just going into the EVT

710
00:29:23,030 --> 00:29:19,890
space if you develop EVT to a high

711
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:23,040
degree you can bring them into the

712
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:24,000
waking State

713
00:29:29,299 --> 00:29:26,970
so in the same way if you imagine that

714
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:29,309
this is why I teach people you say the

715
00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:31,530
left-hand side is awake and aware and

716
00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:33,750
then we tunnel along to the right-hand

717
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:36,390
side which is EVT state if you leave

718
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:39,210
those two states open then things that

719
00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:41,850
happen in the EBT state can be imprinted

720
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:46,380
or projected over your visual field so

721
00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:48,120
that you can experience things with your

722
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,750
eyes open

723
00:29:54,140 --> 00:29:51,120
what does that mean my mother could see

724
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:54,150
my father sat in front of her in the

725
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:55,980
home whenever she wanted to so she

726
00:30:00,280 --> 00:29:58,200
didn't have to even go into EVT anymore

727
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,290
she could just bring my father to her

728
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:02,940
and it's like well how is he says well

729
00:30:06,740 --> 00:30:04,290
they suck they're reading the paper like

730
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:06,750
he always does okay are you happy with

731
00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:06,960
that

732
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:12,030
yeah he'll do okay

733
00:30:19,220 --> 00:30:16,020
so what it said to me is like this is

734
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:19,230
you can develop this this state this EVT

735
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:22,860
state is the start of a space that you

736
00:30:27,230 --> 00:30:25,050
can explore within your mind so you'll

737
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,240
get all the tools that you need to start

738
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:29,340
that exploration and the good thing is

739
00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:31,230
instead of it being like a one-off wow

740
00:30:38,299 --> 00:30:33,870
that was amazing and then it's gone like

741
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:38,309
Oh finished you can go into that state

742
00:30:42,919 --> 00:30:40,380
over and over and over again and the

743
00:30:47,660 --> 00:30:42,929
more you go in the easier and easier

744
00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:47,670
that it gets so sorry so you've done

745
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:50,400
this with a number of people oh yes and

746
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:53,880
if they were able to meet those that had

747
00:31:00,169 --> 00:30:57,050
passed over that they wanted to thereby

748
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:00,179
eliminating the need for say a medium or

749
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:03,480
something of that nature were you where

750
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:05,940
any of these people able to bring back

751
00:31:11,650 --> 00:31:09,330
with them either from the way you know

752
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:11,660
from the EVT state or the the

753
00:31:16,930 --> 00:31:14,450
crossover state were they able to bring

754
00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:16,940
back veridical information that is

755
00:31:24,370 --> 00:31:21,140
information that they did not know prior

756
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:24,380
to this technique and after having

757
00:31:31,330 --> 00:31:27,320
spoken to Uncle Joe they found out like

758
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:31,340
where Uncle Joe left his the baldies yes

759
00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:34,850
exactly but they were all happy because

760
00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:37,880
they're an EVT I think right so this is

761
00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:40,190
a very important point what tends to

762
00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:42,860
happen in our game as I call it is that

763
00:31:46,390 --> 00:31:44,600
there's a lot of people that want to do

764
00:31:48,130 --> 00:31:46,400
out-of-body experiences and look on the

765
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:48,140
top of the cabinet and see the sealed

766
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:49,610
envelope and read numbers and all that

767
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:52,850
kind of thing I say okay you guys go and

768
00:31:59,380 --> 00:31:56,690
do that what we have here is is it I

769
00:32:02,410 --> 00:31:59,390
think possibly the first time I don't

770
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:02,420
know access to the non conscious mind

771
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:04,610
that is in connection with whatever else

772
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:06,530
it's connected to and it seems to be

773
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:10,010
vast and I think the word I'm not now

774
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:12,110
being clever or smart when I think that

775
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:14,210
the accesses are unlimited in terms of

776
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:16,370
what you can experience I think we're

777
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:19,010
looking at a kind of step change in

778
00:32:23,770 --> 00:32:21,170
access to the non conscious mind and the

779
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,780
other states that that also brings in

780
00:32:27,910 --> 00:32:26,000
with it those people that want to talk

781
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:27,920
to Uncle Joe and find out where the

782
00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:29,690
Gold's hidden and the will and all that

783
00:32:33,460 --> 00:32:30,470
kind of stuff

784
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,470
I don't really ask them that deep so the

785
00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:35,360
kind of people I'm talking to and not

786
00:32:42,850 --> 00:32:38,870
those that are like I want proof of life

787
00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:42,860
or I want to I you know Uncle Joe left

788
00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:44,540
and I really didn't like him and I want

789
00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:46,070
to ask him a question and give him a

790
00:32:53,550 --> 00:32:49,940
hard time I talk to people every day

791
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:53,560
almost whose lives of kind of stopped

792
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:55,610
because the people that they're loved

793
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,730
are passed on and they out it's not

794
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:00,080
those that are passed on the other

795
00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:01,610
problem it's those that are left behind

796
00:33:07,810 --> 00:33:04,670
our wounded and some people never ever

797
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:07,820
get over that and and these are people

798
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:11,120
that their lives to some extent have

799
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:13,970
stopped stopped moving forward they just

800
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:16,310
cannot get past the idea that their

801
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:18,530
loved one has gone forever

802
00:33:25,150 --> 00:33:21,410
and for me when I when I do bereavement

803
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:25,160
counseling I don't ever talk about EVT

804
00:33:29,890 --> 00:33:27,890
because I was you know for my duty of

805
00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:29,900
care and especially in terms of

806
00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:31,670
counseling in terms of what you're

807
00:33:37,510 --> 00:33:33,820
allowed to talk to your clients about

808
00:33:40,450 --> 00:33:37,520
counseling is all about managing the

809
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:40,460
emotional kind of wreckage that's left

810
00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:44,170
behind for those that in their minds

811
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:46,190
understand from psychological

812
00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:48,110
perspective that their loved ones are

813
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:49,820
gone they're not coming back this

814
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:52,310
nothing can be done there's no solution

815
00:33:57,670 --> 00:33:55,490
and when I counsel these people

816
00:33:59,920 --> 00:33:57,680
my heart's kind of breaking at the same

817
00:34:03,400 --> 00:33:59,930
time because I'm thinking if you could

818
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,410
just understand these people are not

819
00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:05,600
very far away this is what EVT has shown

820
00:34:11,740 --> 00:34:08,750
me is that one everybody who can have

821
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:11,750
access to it and I've tried it with many

822
00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:15,110
many people and they all get in - I

823
00:34:20,889 --> 00:34:18,200
guarantee that you will get in three

824
00:34:23,290 --> 00:34:20,899
it's not that far away to tell you the

825
00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:23,300
truth in terms of the process it's a

826
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,460
little bit convoluted and each person is

827
00:34:29,409 --> 00:34:27,679
different which tends to tell me that

828
00:34:31,389 --> 00:34:29,419
certain techniques if you try them

829
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,399
certain other techniques were a bit

830
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:33,200
linear say listening to tapes or

831
00:34:38,050 --> 00:34:36,260
suggestions or whatever that won't work

832
00:34:41,369 --> 00:34:38,060
given where it is that you need to go

833
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:41,379
and the things that you need to do so I

834
00:34:44,860 --> 00:34:44,330
talk to people whose lives are being

835
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:44,870
shattered

836
00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:48,560
and so they're not really you know god

837
00:34:52,930 --> 00:34:51,080
bless Purusha Uncle Joe and his will and

838
00:34:56,290 --> 00:34:52,940
all that kind of stuff but these are

839
00:34:59,980 --> 00:34:56,300
people who you know in moments and many

840
00:35:01,330 --> 00:34:59,990
cases also want to die because they

841
00:35:04,660 --> 00:35:01,340
can't live without the person who's

842
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:04,670
passed on so it's it's pretty heavy-duty

843
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:07,130
you know emotionally it's an emotional

844
00:35:12,580 --> 00:35:09,140
rollercoaster so when I talk to those

845
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,590
people I do a lot of upfront counseling

846
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:14,240
in terms of talking about the person

847
00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:15,920
who's passed over and I'm trying to

848
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:19,550
gauge in an emotional scale so where

849
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,130
they are in terms of not so much coming

850
00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:25,280
to terms but then kind of understanding

851
00:35:30,490 --> 00:35:27,470
there could be another option here we

852
00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:30,500
could explore all the things do you

853
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:33,740
think they're actually contacting or for

854
00:35:38,819 --> 00:35:36,530
better words or accessing the person who

855
00:35:41,309 --> 00:35:38,829
has died or do you think it's

856
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:41,319
perhaps an it or imagination and you

857
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:43,150
know their thoughts about the person

858
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:45,849
who's passed on that start to take a

859
00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:49,930
very real presence that's an interesting

860
00:35:55,019 --> 00:35:52,660
question I think that what tends to

861
00:35:57,690 --> 00:35:55,029
happen is what tends to provide the

862
00:36:00,359 --> 00:35:57,700
vertical proof for the person undergoing

863
00:36:02,729 --> 00:36:00,369
the process he's when the person who was

864
00:36:05,489 --> 00:36:02,739
passed over tells them something first

865
00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:05,499
of all it when you imagine something in

866
00:36:08,549 --> 00:36:06,700
the waking state there's always this

867
00:36:10,859 --> 00:36:08,559
idea that you're kind of creating it's

868
00:36:13,769 --> 00:36:10,869
almost like an artist creating a picture

869
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:13,779
you know you're doing it your yours is

870
00:36:18,269 --> 00:36:15,849
the hand behind the screen when you're

871
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:18,279
over in the EVT state though things are

872
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:20,170
just doing whatever they're doing the

873
00:36:24,329 --> 00:36:21,880
higher self is talking to you giving you

874
00:36:25,739 --> 00:36:24,339
insight telling you things and from all

875
00:36:28,170 --> 00:36:25,749
the kind of conversations I've had with

876
00:36:29,789 --> 00:36:28,180
people who met their higher self these

877
00:36:32,370 --> 00:36:29,799
are ordinary people in the streets

878
00:36:33,809 --> 00:36:32,380
saying howdy doody and heyop and all

879
00:36:35,789 --> 00:36:33,819
that kind of stuff they don't have any

880
00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:35,799
of this philosophical knowledge about

881
00:36:40,319 --> 00:36:37,900
the nature of life but when they start

882
00:36:41,999 --> 00:36:40,329
talking to me from the meetings they

883
00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:42,009
have from their higher self it's like oh

884
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:44,920
my word where are you getting all this

885
00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:47,170
from and over and over and over again

886
00:36:51,660 --> 00:36:48,940
it's like they're connecting to

887
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:51,670
something that is beyond them or it's

888
00:36:58,079 --> 00:36:54,910
within them and within them is also

889
00:37:00,539 --> 00:36:58,089
connected to something else so when they

890
00:37:03,630 --> 00:37:00,549
talk to their daughter or their son or

891
00:37:06,269 --> 00:37:03,640
their mother father whoever they got

892
00:37:07,769 --> 00:37:06,279
these conversations that are just like

893
00:37:10,049 --> 00:37:07,779
first of all I ask them what's it like

894
00:37:11,489 --> 00:37:10,059
it's my daughter talking to me tell me

895
00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:11,499
why you think it's your daughter because

896
00:37:14,729 --> 00:37:12,849
she's telling you this she's telling me

897
00:37:16,289 --> 00:37:14,739
that she's telling off of this she's

898
00:37:17,729 --> 00:37:16,299
telling me off of that she's talking

899
00:37:19,319 --> 00:37:17,739
about this that it's like really like

900
00:37:23,069 --> 00:37:19,329
you're having a proper conversation with

901
00:37:25,049 --> 00:37:23,079
your daughter yes and yeah so that's

902
00:37:27,209 --> 00:37:25,059
what for me so I says and particularly

903
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:27,219
yes there's something very very special

904
00:37:32,130 --> 00:37:29,890
going on here and when you ask people

905
00:37:32,699 --> 00:37:32,140
would you rather have EVT and talk to

906
00:37:35,549 --> 00:37:32,709
your daughter

907
00:37:38,939 --> 00:37:35,559
or no AVT no I want BBT I want to talk

908
00:37:41,729 --> 00:37:38,949
to my daughter okay fine we should also

909
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:41,739
get some information I'm sure people are

910
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:43,660
interested in contacting you dr.

911
00:37:48,359 --> 00:37:45,849
Davidson like yeah yeah you know as far

912
00:37:50,279 --> 00:37:48,369
as your website or publications they

913
00:37:51,749 --> 00:37:50,289
probably this would be a good time to

914
00:37:55,169 --> 00:37:51,759
tell them

915
00:37:58,019 --> 00:37:55,179
I am the mist I am the mystery purse

916
00:38:00,719 --> 00:37:58,029
I see people mystery man aha it's

917
00:38:03,899 --> 00:38:00,729
happens Isolde why am I doing this so

918
00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:03,909
why am I not the most my phone ringing

919
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:05,380
off the hook and people queuing up

920
00:38:10,169 --> 00:38:07,209
outside my house banging my door down

921
00:38:12,329 --> 00:38:10,179
mm-hm for a long time because I'm a bit

922
00:38:14,879 --> 00:38:12,339
scientific I do have a bit of a

923
00:38:17,249 --> 00:38:14,889
scientific principle here he's I've been

924
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:17,259
running these tests for want of a better

925
00:38:22,319 --> 00:38:20,349
word how do I get these people in can I

926
00:38:23,969 --> 00:38:22,329
guarantee so now I'm holding up my hand

927
00:38:25,769 --> 00:38:23,979
you can't see me because you turned off

928
00:38:27,749 --> 00:38:25,779
the video I'm holding my hand saying I

929
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:27,759
will guarantee this for you and what

930
00:38:31,649 --> 00:38:30,130
does that mean one you are getting two

931
00:38:33,509 --> 00:38:31,659
you will be able to get in whenever you

932
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:33,519
want three as long as you keep up the

933
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:35,529
practice you will always be able to have

934
00:38:42,359 --> 00:38:39,130
that access to that state and then four

935
00:38:44,339 --> 00:38:42,369
never happens I tell you now okay I

936
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:44,349
always ask these people please give me

937
00:38:48,839 --> 00:38:46,089
an update of how you're getting gone so

938
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:48,849
for the first week or two is amazing I

939
00:38:53,489 --> 00:38:50,649
was in space looking at the earth I met

940
00:38:55,739 --> 00:38:53,499
my mother she was moaning again and then

941
00:38:58,019 --> 00:38:55,749
I went to fly around the world I went

942
00:38:59,789 --> 00:38:58,029
shopping in New York and then you get

943
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,799
all this kind of detail about two weeks

944
00:39:04,649 --> 00:39:01,599
later nothing really

945
00:39:06,749 --> 00:39:04,659
really I think they just because they

946
00:39:08,669 --> 00:39:06,759
some people want to develop it

947
00:39:10,949 --> 00:39:08,679
other people have such intimate

948
00:39:13,279 --> 00:39:10,959
experiences I know working with some

949
00:39:15,269 --> 00:39:13,289
people very closely for quite a while

950
00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:15,279
thank for example first meeting the

951
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,380
Higher Self some people cannot talk for

952
00:39:22,739 --> 00:39:18,880
an hour or two because they're so

953
00:39:24,149 --> 00:39:22,749
emotionally overloaded with kind of I'm

954
00:39:25,739 --> 00:39:24,159
asking them are you okay okay and

955
00:39:29,429 --> 00:39:25,749
they're just nodding and smiling and

956
00:39:31,529 --> 00:39:29,439
crying talk it's such a beautiful thing

957
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:31,539
it's beautiful it that that's almost

958
00:39:36,299 --> 00:39:33,130
what people used to call the guardian

959
00:39:38,489 --> 00:39:36,309
angel that was always with you yeah

960
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:38,499
maybe the same thing yeah we really

961
00:39:44,339 --> 00:39:40,689
don't know right and and those people

962
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:44,349
who have been on like a camping trip and

963
00:39:48,929 --> 00:39:46,689
they fall down and whole and then some

964
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:48,939
stranger comes along and it's like oh

965
00:39:55,139 --> 00:39:53,049
the third person or something and this

966
00:39:58,379 --> 00:39:55,149
person helps them out of the hole and

967
00:40:00,629 --> 00:39:58,389
then just a turn around to say thank you

968
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:00,639
and a person has disappeared that's it's

969
00:40:04,739 --> 00:40:03,369
a phenomena I probably don't have the

970
00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:04,749
right name for it it's not the third

971
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:05,470
bird

972
00:40:10,289 --> 00:40:07,450
but it's some name like that are you are

973
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:10,299
you aware of that oh yes absolutely but

974
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:11,890
you know what I was talking about these

975
00:40:16,349 --> 00:40:14,470
four types of people for some people

976
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,359
they only need a little bit of

977
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:18,160
encouragement or a bit of the technique

978
00:40:22,859 --> 00:40:20,049
and then there are and these are the

979
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,869
people who can also bring the

980
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,119
experiences in the EVT state with your

981
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:28,000
eyes closed into the waking state with

982
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:29,170
their eyes open

983
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:32,319
so for want of a better word they are

984
00:40:37,319 --> 00:40:35,290
the people you know like I imagine

985
00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:37,329
mediums and clairvoyance with their eyes

986
00:40:40,349 --> 00:40:38,980
up and saying you know Tommy's here and

987
00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:40,359
he's talking to me and they're looking

988
00:40:46,339 --> 00:40:43,000
at someone I've had this with my

989
00:40:49,170 --> 00:40:46,349
sister-in-law when when I went to Canada

990
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:49,180
she would briefly close her eyes while

991
00:40:53,819 --> 00:40:51,010
just stood up and talking to me after

992
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:53,829
doing EVT and saying you know my

993
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:55,450
daughter's here she's talking to me my

994
00:40:59,970 --> 00:40:57,490
Higher Self is next to me she's talking

995
00:41:01,859 --> 00:40:59,980
to me and so it's like wow this door

996
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,869
feels like it's a little bit mind

997
00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:03,520
blowing to start with but once you've

998
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:05,430
heard it over and over and over again

999
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:08,530
it's like okay this is something that I

1000
00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:10,049
think that from a scientific perspective

1001
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:13,270
don't get too much could you down it you

1002
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:15,430
can recreate it over and over this is

1003
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:18,490
the thing could you tell us the story of

1004
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:23,099
your sister oh she did send you a

1005
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:26,170
recommendation a combination of I don't

1006
00:41:30,450 --> 00:41:27,670
know what the word you want to use for

1007
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:30,460
it but she did write you up a quite a

1008
00:41:38,789 --> 00:41:32,650
letter of recommendation I would say

1009
00:41:41,549 --> 00:41:38,799
sure it's um my 15 years ago my brother

1010
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:41,559
and his wife and family they moved to

1011
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:45,490
Canada yeah and it's a wonderful place

1012
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:48,130
if you like to run across the road and

1013
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:51,130
get a snack from the bar at minus 20

1014
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:54,250
degrees centigrade yeah my brother says

1015
00:41:59,250 --> 00:41:56,650
hey Phil well let's go across the road

1016
00:42:00,510 --> 00:41:59,260
and get something from someplace or

1017
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:00,520
other that everyone knows do I need a

1018
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:02,710
coat no I'm looking at the TV thinking

1019
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:05,049
it says mine is 20 outside my brother's

1020
00:42:08,970 --> 00:42:06,640
there in a t-shirt I'm going across the

1021
00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:08,980
road I'm stuck to the floor I can't move

1022
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:10,660
my feet my brother's going come on you

1023
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:12,670
wimp and it's like I think I nearly had

1024
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:16,690
an out-of-body experience if frozen

1025
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:18,950
experience so thank you

1026
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:22,609
god bless but anyway on to onto the

1027
00:42:27,010 --> 00:42:25,310
story my brother moved to Canada 15

1028
00:42:29,710 --> 00:42:27,020
years ago and brought up his children

1029
00:42:30,730 --> 00:42:29,720
their three girls great Adele was his

1030
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:30,740
wife

1031
00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:34,730
but at Christmastime he's youngest

1032
00:42:42,849 --> 00:42:38,150
daughter died unexpectedly so she was

1033
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:42,859
only 18 she was nearly 19 and I'd been

1034
00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:45,710
away in Manchester and I'd been driving

1035
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:49,400
back and I got home and my son rang me

1036
00:42:54,220 --> 00:42:52,010
up saying I think I think violets died

1037
00:42:55,630 --> 00:42:54,230
what do you mean for her I think what

1038
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,640
you're talking about this can't have

1039
00:43:01,359 --> 00:42:58,400
happened and then I saw that I had these

1040
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:01,369
voicemail messages on my phone and I'd

1041
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:04,430
been out of contact in inter cell phone

1042
00:43:08,770 --> 00:43:07,280
contact and then as I oh my god what's

1043
00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:08,780
happened and then my brother rang me up

1044
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:11,300
so it's like other than the shock so I

1045
00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:13,070
went into kind of counselling mold a

1046
00:43:16,930 --> 00:43:15,260
little bit it's like okay just keep

1047
00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:16,940
talking to me talking to me so we were

1048
00:43:22,359 --> 00:43:18,740
talking and talking for hours and hours

1049
00:43:26,530 --> 00:43:22,369
and hours and I said I want to come over

1050
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,540
and meet you I said and he said will you

1051
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:29,119
do EVT with me because I knew he knew

1052
00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:30,290
that I've been doing this type of

1053
00:43:36,339 --> 00:43:33,950
research and I said if you want me to do

1054
00:43:37,809 --> 00:43:36,349
it and you know taking into account that

1055
00:43:39,309 --> 00:43:37,819
you know the recommendation for our

1056
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,319
psychologist she's don't work on your

1057
00:43:43,630 --> 00:43:41,839
family but for me it's like the need

1058
00:43:46,450 --> 00:43:43,640
outweighs the you know the

1059
00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:46,460
recommendations they need me to to help

1060
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:49,220
them and the phone must have been on

1061
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,950
speakerphone because his wife Adele said

1062
00:43:55,930 --> 00:43:54,079
Phil I want you to do EVT with me as

1063
00:43:57,790 --> 00:43:55,940
well and I said and what do you want to

1064
00:44:01,059 --> 00:43:57,800
do that for because I want to contact my

1065
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,069
daughter and so it's like we had a long

1066
00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:04,400
conversation before I went there and it

1067
00:44:09,970 --> 00:44:06,470
was about three months before everything

1068
00:44:11,770 --> 00:44:09,980
was sorted out and I went over and I

1069
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,780
thought I did I work with my brother

1070
00:44:15,790 --> 00:44:14,240
first I told him what we were going to

1071
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:15,800
do outlined every single part of the

1072
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:17,930
process and we went through with him and

1073
00:44:25,089 --> 00:44:21,200
we got him into EVT and then he went and

1074
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:25,099
met his daughter but for him it was

1075
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:29,810
emotionally destroyed I think I've never

1076
00:44:32,650 --> 00:44:31,130
seen

1077
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:32,660
you know I feel emotional but I've never

1078
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:36,710
seen my brother a man how and the

1079
00:44:41,049 --> 00:44:39,650
emotion was absolutely Roy I never seen

1080
00:44:44,229 --> 00:44:41,059
him on Christ and watching my life it's

1081
00:44:45,759 --> 00:44:44,239
absolutely heartbreaking and so my

1082
00:44:48,509 --> 00:44:45,769
brother I said all right you're gonna go

1083
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:48,519
to one side and you need some time to

1084
00:44:54,099 --> 00:44:51,049
like relax

1085
00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:54,109
suppose I come away from EVT don't do it

1086
00:44:58,269 --> 00:44:55,670
yet I think we need to wait a little bit

1087
00:45:02,140 --> 00:44:58,279
and Adele came forward and we started

1088
00:45:04,479 --> 00:45:02,150
the process with Adele and she was sat

1089
00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:04,489
there and you know we're all smiles and

1090
00:45:09,089 --> 00:45:06,380
everything a bit nervous I'm a bit

1091
00:45:12,279 --> 00:45:09,099
nervous it's like okay we're going to

1092
00:45:15,489 --> 00:45:12,289
start the EBT process and with her it

1093
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:15,499
took about a day we're talking six or

1094
00:45:22,569 --> 00:45:20,720
seven hours and we developed the access

1095
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:22,579
day so the access date is you're able to

1096
00:45:26,529 --> 00:45:25,369
go from the waiting stay open across and

1097
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:26,539
meet your higher self

1098
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:30,140
so that's she was in so from technical

1099
00:45:34,089 --> 00:45:31,910
term ease you're in you're in the EBT

1100
00:45:35,950 --> 00:45:34,099
state you met your higher self your

1101
00:45:38,650 --> 00:45:35,960
higher self is talking to you a little

1102
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:38,660
bit and you're starting to explore that

1103
00:45:44,109 --> 00:45:42,170
state but still what you find is that

1104
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:44,119
when people even when people are in the

1105
00:45:50,979 --> 00:45:47,630
VT state they need to develop what I

1106
00:45:54,099 --> 00:45:50,989
call presence and what does that mean

1107
00:45:56,170 --> 00:45:54,109
it's a case of when they're in the EVT

1108
00:45:58,089 --> 00:45:56,180
state to start with they are minimally

1109
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,099
in the state so they're there they can

1110
00:46:01,269 --> 00:45:59,839
see the highest serve they can they're

1111
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:01,279
in an environment they might see

1112
00:46:06,729 --> 00:46:04,609
buildings people whatever but if they

1113
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:06,739
move their focus away from it some of

1114
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:08,630
those scenes can kind of start to fade

1115
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:10,729
away and they have to keep the presence

1116
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:13,609
they have to develop a presence within

1117
00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:14,450
that state

1118
00:46:20,289 --> 00:46:18,140
so we tried tried quote/unquote I

1119
00:46:21,819 --> 00:46:20,299
thought we'll might as well have

1120
00:46:24,009 --> 00:46:21,829
Aquatics getting late we might as well

1121
00:46:27,130 --> 00:46:24,019
have a go at getting to meet her

1122
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:27,140
daughter and we had three unsuccessful

1123
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:30,710
attempts and for me I thought we'd try

1124
00:46:34,509 --> 00:46:32,900
and a bit too quickly to try to get to

1125
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:34,519
her daughter certain things need to

1126
00:46:38,469 --> 00:46:36,529
happen first and she needs to have a

1127
00:46:40,569 --> 00:46:38,479
chat with the higher self to see whether

1128
00:46:43,390 --> 00:46:40,579
it's okay to meet her and a higher self

1129
00:46:44,650 --> 00:46:43,400
was saying not yet you haven't gotten or

1130
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,660
presence in this state

1131
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:46,640
so it's like you haven't been in long

1132
00:46:51,940 --> 00:46:49,280
enough to develop this a bit of skill in

1133
00:46:55,570 --> 00:46:51,950
there so she went home that night she

1134
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:55,580
was a bit unhappy but I said to a look

1135
00:47:00,490 --> 00:46:57,890
you've met your higher-self you're in

1136
00:47:02,170 --> 00:47:00,500
the EVT state everything is going as I

1137
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:02,180
see it should be going in terms of the

1138
00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:04,670
plan you're doing very well in terms of

1139
00:47:09,610 --> 00:47:07,190
time frame tomorrow we will build on

1140
00:47:11,860 --> 00:47:09,620
that in the EVT state and start to build

1141
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:11,870
your presence and awareness in there so

1142
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:14,390
you can get a bit of depth to it so she

1143
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:16,850
came about the next day but before she

1144
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:19,850
left I said to her what what have you

1145
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:22,850
but she'd had this big kind of jar of

1146
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:24,710
she was drinking something all day and I

1147
00:47:28,450 --> 00:47:26,030
thought this must be like a protein

1148
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:28,460
shake keep your energy up and I said so

1149
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,570
what have you been drinking all day and

1150
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,760
she says oh I made a cup of coffee at

1151
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:33,680
nine o'clock and I've been sipping on

1152
00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:37,490
that whole day like no wonder not too

1153
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:38,870
much is happening you need to keep your

1154
00:47:43,330 --> 00:47:41,510
energy levels up need to eat you need to

1155
00:47:45,610 --> 00:47:43,340
keep put a lot of energy into body

1156
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:45,620
because the brain you're using your

1157
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:49,010
brain a lot needs that entity to to

1158
00:47:54,910 --> 00:47:51,110
create this environment for you so you

1159
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:54,920
can access it so I told her off told

1160
00:47:58,570 --> 00:47:56,810
that that she needed to go home you need

1161
00:47:59,860 --> 00:47:58,580
to eat a proper meal and come back the

1162
00:48:01,900 --> 00:47:59,870
next day and we're going to eat properly

1163
00:48:04,990 --> 00:48:01,910
and you know keep snacking through the

1164
00:48:08,350 --> 00:48:05,000
day keep our energy levels high during

1165
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:08,360
the the night she did EVT by yourself I

1166
00:48:12,580 --> 00:48:10,940
had told her to do this and she'd met

1167
00:48:15,220 --> 00:48:12,590
her Higher Self and out herself could

1168
00:48:17,260 --> 00:48:15,230
say no wait wait you need to wait and

1169
00:48:20,770 --> 00:48:17,270
the higher-self didn't seem to be saying

1170
00:48:23,020 --> 00:48:20,780
very much for me I understand to start

1171
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:23,030
with the highest self may seem like it's

1172
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:25,010
not really saying anything but it's not

1173
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:26,210
the Higher Self that isn't saying

1174
00:48:31,390 --> 00:48:28,970
anything you're not in enough for want

1175
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:31,400
of a better word so she comes back the

1176
00:48:36,610 --> 00:48:33,830
next day and we sit down and it's like

1177
00:48:38,380 --> 00:48:36,620
look one of the things that stops you

1178
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:38,390
having this presence within the stay is

1179
00:48:44,110 --> 00:48:40,370
any kind of baggage that we bring

1180
00:48:46,990 --> 00:48:44,120
through with you and of course she would

1181
00:48:48,970 --> 00:48:47,000
have had a lot of emotional bag bankage

1182
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,980
is the wrong word excuse me for the

1183
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,720
wrong road I've got a lot of emotion

1184
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:52,640
around her so it's like we need to have

1185
00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:54,170
a little bit of a therapeutic process

1186
00:48:59,819 --> 00:48:57,430
first and I went took her through a

1187
00:49:03,870 --> 00:48:59,829
counseling sessions and she must have

1188
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,880
cried again never see they don't cries

1189
00:49:07,819 --> 00:49:05,680
so much

1190
00:49:11,809 --> 00:49:07,829
I get heartbreaking but that trying

1191
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:11,819
seemed to release a lot of emotional

1192
00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:15,280
kind of emotion that's so the next time

1193
00:49:19,770 --> 00:49:17,980
we went into the EVT state we talked to

1194
00:49:21,690 --> 00:49:19,780
her herself and now suddenly the Higher

1195
00:49:24,089 --> 00:49:21,700
Self he's chatting it started to talk

1196
00:49:27,299 --> 00:49:24,099
this is what we need to do this is what

1197
00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:27,309
you need to to construct this is where

1198
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,660
you need to meet her and this is what we

1199
00:49:33,630 --> 00:49:31,359
need to do and she came out of that

1200
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:33,640
state and she was like crying she had a

1201
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:35,410
mask on she came out she was crying I

1202
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:37,990
said have you met your daughter who says

1203
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:40,390
no I've met my I've really met my Higher

1204
00:49:44,579 --> 00:49:43,030
Self now and she's beautiful and she was

1205
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:44,589
telling me all about her and the kind of

1206
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:46,569
energy that comes off her and then I

1207
00:49:51,329 --> 00:49:49,210
kind of knew yes she's now more present

1208
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:51,339
within that state now I think we can

1209
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:52,990
move to meet her daughter so in the

1210
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,530
second session I asked her can we talk

1211
00:50:00,569 --> 00:49:58,480
to your higher self can we agree where

1212
00:50:02,430 --> 00:50:00,579
can we meet your daughter and she gave

1213
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:02,440
her a place where she could meet her

1214
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:05,220
daughter and then she went and met her

1215
00:50:10,650 --> 00:50:08,710
and again I was watching and watching

1216
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:10,660
how she's reacting to everything and

1217
00:50:17,579 --> 00:50:14,530
again she's a lot of Tears crying I mean

1218
00:50:19,890 --> 00:50:17,589
uncontrollable crying and she took the

1219
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:19,900
mask off because we use an eye mask just

1220
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:22,329
to block out light and she's saying yes

1221
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:24,010
I met my daughter she's there she's in

1222
00:50:28,170 --> 00:50:26,290
this particular place we were talking it

1223
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:28,180
was all emotionally overwhelming so she

1224
00:50:33,799 --> 00:50:30,730
had to come out and she went to wash her

1225
00:50:36,299 --> 00:50:33,809
eyes so you know a bit water on her face

1226
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:36,309
to come around a little bit and as she

1227
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:38,290
closed their eyes again she just closed

1228
00:50:42,839 --> 00:50:40,690
her eyes for a second like uh-huh

1229
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:42,849
and says oh my god I could still see my

1230
00:50:48,569 --> 00:50:46,480
daughter says and now it's not a case of

1231
00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:48,579
she needs to lie down and be quiet and

1232
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:49,420
relax

1233
00:50:53,339 --> 00:50:51,250
she's now standing up with her eyes

1234
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:53,349
closed I can see my daughter she's here

1235
00:50:57,630 --> 00:50:55,990
and as I look around my Higher Self he's

1236
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:57,640
next to me with a hand on my shoulder

1237
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:00,880
saying it's okay you know I'm here if

1238
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:01,510
you need me

1239
00:51:08,579 --> 00:51:05,650
and she's talking to her daughter and he

1240
00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:08,589
thinks it wasn't for me like amazing so

1241
00:51:11,170 --> 00:51:10,390
it's like I said open your eyes again

1242
00:51:13,059 --> 00:51:11,180
she's that

1243
00:51:15,220 --> 00:51:13,069
I said open your eyes again she opens

1244
00:51:17,260 --> 00:51:15,230
her eyes has now closed them what do you

1245
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:17,270
say he says my daughter still here and

1246
00:51:22,030 --> 00:51:18,470
now I'm talking to her

1247
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:22,040
I oh my god this is amazing and so

1248
00:51:26,859 --> 00:51:24,530
that's all we did all that day then was

1249
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:26,869
she would go to meet her daughter her

1250
00:51:31,210 --> 00:51:28,490
particular place where she met her was

1251
00:51:33,250 --> 00:51:31,220
on a nice beautiful beach and she was

1252
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:33,260
there with her daughter talking to her

1253
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:36,650
and she says Phil just thank thank you

1254
00:51:41,020 --> 00:51:38,510
because I didn't know what I was going

1255
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:41,030
to do because I she said she just didn't

1256
00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:43,190
want to live anymore said what now she's

1257
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:45,980
got her daughter back it's obviously

1258
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:48,079
it's not the most ideal situation but

1259
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:51,290
it's far far better that she can now

1260
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:52,970
talk to her daughter whenever she needs

1261
00:51:58,109 --> 00:51:55,760
to or wants to and so that night when

1262
00:52:00,370 --> 00:51:58,119
she went back I got a big hug of my

1263
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:00,380
sister-in-law I think the first hug I've

1264
00:52:05,770 --> 00:52:03,680
ever had ah that's nice and she went

1265
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:05,780
home and she came back the next day

1266
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:07,849
y'all excited Phil Phil Phil says what's

1267
00:52:13,210 --> 00:52:11,690
his last night I was asleep and I play a

1268
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:13,220
little bit of music in the background

1269
00:52:16,690 --> 00:52:14,930
that just loops around it's just

1270
00:52:19,059 --> 00:52:16,700
something to put your attention on if

1271
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:19,069
your mind starts to wander and she says

1272
00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:20,900
Phil that's what I says the music

1273
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:22,940
started playing I said did you have it

1274
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:24,710
on your headphones just know it was

1275
00:52:28,990 --> 00:52:26,930
playing in my head this is what you're

1276
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,000
talking about it says the music started

1277
00:52:34,059 --> 00:52:31,760
playing it was in my head and then my

1278
00:52:38,049 --> 00:52:34,069
daughter came to meet me she wanted to

1279
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:38,059
meet me I was likely fantastic so she

1280
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:41,089
meets her daughter I know she says two

1281
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:43,010
or three times a day but I talked to

1282
00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:44,510
Eric and he's like no no no it's more

1283
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:47,240
like 10 to 15 times a day but even her

1284
00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:50,030
daughter says hey mom I still need time

1285
00:52:53,980 --> 00:52:52,190
for me because you know mother's ringing

1286
00:52:56,349 --> 00:52:53,990
up daughters all the time get on

1287
00:52:59,319 --> 00:52:56,359
daughters nerve so even in that space

1288
00:53:01,299 --> 00:52:59,329
the daughter sort of saying look can you

1289
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:01,309
just give me five minutes I'm doing my

1290
00:53:05,289 --> 00:53:03,530
own stuff over there so there's the

1291
00:53:07,930 --> 00:53:05,299
stuff that Adele is learning and the

1292
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,940
higher-self he's teaching her what she

1293
00:53:11,170 --> 00:53:09,440
needs to do and how to grow in that

1294
00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:11,180
particular environment and then she's

1295
00:53:15,250 --> 00:53:13,700
also learning what her daughter it needs

1296
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:15,260
to learn in that state so it's

1297
00:53:20,799 --> 00:53:16,640
absolutely fantastic

1298
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:20,809
I don't really have any comment on that

1299
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:25,020
it's just it's unbelievable in this

1300
00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:31,050
I am sure it happened I knowing so her

1301
00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:32,430
daughter actually had a physical

1302
00:53:43,580 --> 00:53:39,860
presence to her and it it was the same

1303
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:43,590
figure or present a person that she was

1304
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:47,880
in her and her really that's right yeah

1305
00:53:52,940 --> 00:53:50,460
so we stay present so you can see her

1306
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:52,950
and talk to her sitting there and

1307
00:53:57,859 --> 00:53:55,110
sitting there yes exactly

1308
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,869
I'll go I'll go on holiday with her or I

1309
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:00,240
think saying that her daughter really

1310
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:03,510
liked it I think that the program series

1311
00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:05,369
is supernatural yeah she was that's yeah

1312
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:07,470
watch what's what you're doing when I'm

1313
00:54:11,570 --> 00:54:08,970
not here so I'm sitting with the guys

1314
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:11,580
watching them rehearse for their TV

1315
00:54:15,770 --> 00:54:13,410
episodes and I'm thinking fantastic and

1316
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:15,780
it's like so when people tell me stuff

1317
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:18,270
like that I think yeah okay you can

1318
00:54:22,310 --> 00:54:19,650
either think they're making it up but I

1319
00:54:25,070 --> 00:54:22,320
don't think so and so that's where I

1320
00:54:27,830 --> 00:54:25,080
sort of say there's two aspects of EVT

1321
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:27,840
now one is exploration of your inner

1322
00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:29,970
mind and developing yourself as a person

1323
00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:32,790
in integrating and healing and exploring

1324
00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:37,950
the mind all of that spiritual stuff no

1325
00:54:42,740 --> 00:54:41,580
the mother and daughter met a mutual

1326
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:42,750
agreement I'm assuming at a beach

1327
00:54:48,349 --> 00:54:46,230
someplace ah but once the meeting ended

1328
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:48,359
where did the daughter go did she tell

1329
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,970
her mother this is well do you know when

1330
00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:53,280
I told you that people tend to tell me

1331
00:54:59,720 --> 00:54:55,380
what's happening after that for two and

1332
00:55:04,340 --> 00:54:59,730
then it's my frustration he's he's like

1333
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,350
I want to know what her daughter does

1334
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:06,960
when she's not with her Manan hmm but

1335
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:10,410
like I don't feel I can ask her mother

1336
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:14,250
hey next time you're in round the air

1337
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:16,290
and say hey what are you doing when

1338
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:18,300
you're not here so it's a case of they

1339
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:20,670
are doing something and I think that

1340
00:55:25,310 --> 00:55:23,760
this is the bit where since most of my

1341
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:25,320
research has always been about because

1342
00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:26,850
people cannot get in as I call it

1343
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:29,400
there's a blockage and barriers and now

1344
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:31,380
I'm saying with the EPT you can get in

1345
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:33,030
anytime you like so we can really know

1346
00:55:38,550 --> 00:55:36,359
about to do research so so for people

1347
00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:38,560
who want to develop this or

1348
00:55:42,570 --> 00:55:40,180
saying look why don't we do a

1349
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:42,580
development kind of group and say look

1350
00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:44,710
this is the level that I'll take you to

1351
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:46,300
and then from there on in we'll build

1352
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,700
and build and build and we can build up

1353
00:55:53,610 --> 00:55:51,280
almost like a repertoire of the types of

1354
00:55:56,220 --> 00:55:53,620
experiences what's in there what types

1355
00:55:58,410 --> 00:55:56,230
of stuff you can get how the highest

1356
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:58,420
self presents itself what it wants to

1357
00:56:02,880 --> 00:55:59,950
tell you what you should know what you

1358
00:56:05,370 --> 00:56:02,890
shouldn't I mean I've had people go down

1359
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:05,380
their timelines and I know these such

1360
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:07,690
things as town line therapy but this is

1361
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,730
actually going down the timeline with

1362
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:11,920
your higher-self to aspects of you and

1363
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:14,170
then fixing things and coming back into

1364
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:16,150
the present day so the type of

1365
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:18,310
experience you can have is unlimited as

1366
00:56:24,330 --> 00:56:20,770
far as I'm concerned you and you can you

1367
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:24,340
know it's yeah it's difficult to

1368
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:26,050
describe unless you've had these types

1369
00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:28,570
of experiences it's just phenomenal so

1370
00:56:34,110 --> 00:56:32,500
as a final kind of question it doesn't

1371
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,120
have to be the very last thing you say

1372
00:56:40,050 --> 00:56:36,400
of course but just to wrap things up on

1373
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:40,060
on a certain level what what what are

1374
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:42,190
you going to do now I mean where are you

1375
00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:45,660
going with this now Phil do some work

1376
00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:48,670
there's more that's pretty good right

1377
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:51,460
where you are I think I think I think

1378
00:56:56,940 --> 00:56:55,330
that the takeaways for all of this is no

1379
00:56:59,130 --> 00:56:56,950
more is it a kind of hit-and-miss affair

1380
00:57:01,080 --> 00:56:59,140
now there's a process that takes you

1381
00:57:03,810 --> 00:57:01,090
from the waking state to the interstate

1382
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:03,820
so that's number one tick to whenever

1383
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:06,820
you want three exploration so there's

1384
00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:08,650
two types these people who want to

1385
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:11,980
explore they've been to other seminars

1386
00:57:16,290 --> 00:57:13,750
or the types of techniques and things

1387
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:16,300
and have not worked forget all that

1388
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:18,490
come and do a uvt because now you can

1389
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:20,110
start from a position where you can

1390
00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:21,730
explore all those things that you could

1391
00:57:26,130 --> 00:57:23,800
never get before whenever you want all

1392
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:26,140
the time if you want so there's the

1393
00:57:30,330 --> 00:57:27,780
explorers and then on the other side

1394
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:30,340
this is where I now feel confident

1395
00:57:35,340 --> 00:57:32,860
enough to say look for those of lost

1396
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:35,350
people that passed over and they feel

1397
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:37,510
their lives in some ways have stopped

1398
00:57:44,310 --> 00:57:41,710
and they just the stop now I want to

1399
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:44,320
offer EVT for people who want to

1400
00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:46,090
specifically contact those that passed

1401
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,780
over and it isn't in a kind of spirit II

1402
00:57:54,570 --> 00:57:52,000
kind of you know what I mean

1403
00:57:56,790 --> 00:57:54,580
any weird ways nothing wrong with

1404
00:57:58,410 --> 00:57:56,800
mediums but what you have to do is when

1405
00:58:00,839 --> 00:57:58,420
you have a medium you have to get an

1406
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:00,849
interpretation whereas now I'm saying

1407
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:04,450
look in in the right way with that with

1408
00:58:08,609 --> 00:58:06,970
the right approach with respect and my

1409
00:58:10,859 --> 00:58:08,619
duty of care to make sure you have the

1410
00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:10,869
best possible experience I want to help

1411
00:58:15,450 --> 00:58:13,720
those people who have lost people who

1412
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:15,460
have passed over and saying look do you

1413
00:58:19,170 --> 00:58:16,840
want to meet them again

1414
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:19,180
not only that do you want to be able to

1415
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:21,310
meet them whenever you want to and what

1416
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:23,410
would that be interesting to you would

1417
00:58:27,330 --> 00:58:24,910
you want that and I think the

1418
00:58:30,030 --> 00:58:27,340
overwhelming answer would be yes so two

1419
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:30,040
offerings there you're still a little

1420
00:58:41,099 --> 00:58:36,730
bit of an IT geek violating the psyche

1421
00:58:43,470 --> 00:58:41,109
there what I'm trying to do is because

1422
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:43,480
this is the whole process is a

1423
00:58:47,820 --> 00:58:46,090
one-on-one with me so I'm not gonna send

1424
00:58:50,849 --> 00:58:47,830
you off to listen to things and whatever

1425
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:50,859
you are with me for two days and I work

1426
00:58:55,410 --> 00:58:52,890
I keep going over and over and over

1427
00:58:57,690 --> 00:58:55,420
finding out what you've experienced

1428
00:58:59,099 --> 00:58:57,700
changing the structure going in again

1429
00:59:01,859 --> 00:58:59,109
and again and again so it's one-on-one

1430
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:01,869
with me because I'm a bit of an IT geek

1431
00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:05,260
what I'm trying to do is trying to make

1432
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:07,390
that initial period with me a bit

1433
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:10,480
shorter it just helps me stops me

1434
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:12,130
getting a headache and I can at least

1435
00:59:18,270 --> 00:59:16,570
have a drink and something to eat not

1436
00:59:21,150 --> 00:59:18,280
eating or drinking all day because I'm

1437
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:21,160
just that focused on the person so I am

1438
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:22,810
trying to make some technology that

1439
00:59:27,630 --> 00:59:25,270
helps the first stage which is getting

1440
00:59:29,070 --> 00:59:27,640
to that completely flaked out

1441
00:59:31,710 --> 00:59:29,080
wonderfully relaxed

1442
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:31,720
deep deep deep right down there that can

1443
00:59:38,310 --> 00:59:35,890
take hours and hours depending upon the

1444
00:59:44,430 --> 00:59:38,320
type of person that keeps saying hey

1445
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:44,440
Phil that thing can really relax you

1446
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:47,950
close your eyes with law and kindness so

1447
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:49,450
yeah a bit of technology there I'm

1448
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:51,670
trying to develop that and then I'm

1449
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:54,640
hoping that I can at the moment EB T's

1450
00:59:58,500 --> 00:59:56,710
are one-on-one you're with me for two

1451
00:59:59,970 --> 00:59:58,510
days and you are going to get in I

1452
01:00:01,560 --> 00:59:59,980
guarantee and you're going to be able to

1453
01:00:03,450 --> 01:00:01,570
access whenever you like and we're going

1454
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:03,460
to do all kinds of great things

1455
01:00:08,580 --> 01:00:05,950
I want to develop it so that we can get

1456
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:08,590
three or four people at a time so I can

1457
01:00:13,110 --> 01:00:10,810
so like I don't teach all the people how

1458
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:13,120
to do it because I think we need to

1459
01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:15,010
teach more people how to do this because

1460
01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:17,830
the process actually works and teach

1461
01:00:22,110 --> 01:00:19,390
them all the little tricks of the trade

1462
01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:22,120
on all the little twists and turns that

1463
01:00:26,010 --> 01:00:24,550
the unconscious demands of you before

1464
01:00:28,550 --> 01:00:26,020
you can access it because the

1465
01:00:31,110 --> 01:00:28,560
unconscious at the lowest level says

1466
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:31,120
hello hi Kate how you doing here yeah oh

1467
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:33,730
you're coming towards me I don't think

1468
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:36,370
so you you're not coming in at all and

1469
01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:38,890
so you really have to you have to agree

1470
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:41,590
almost like you have to have form an

1471
01:00:44,910 --> 01:00:43,330
agreement with the unconscious about

1472
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,920
what under what conditions would it

1473
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:47,200
allow you to consciously access and

1474
01:00:51,660 --> 01:00:49,690
enter the unconscious part and there's a

1475
01:00:53,460 --> 01:00:51,670
lot of setup to start with that makes it

1476
01:00:55,350 --> 01:00:53,470
a pleasant experience and then the

1477
01:00:58,560 --> 01:00:55,360
unconscious alright yeah okay you've met

1478
01:01:00,930 --> 01:00:58,570
my requirements in you go minimally and

1479
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:00,940
then we build and build and build on the

1480
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:02,770
other side so that you have access to

1481
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:04,030
your higher self and all those other

1482
01:01:10,890 --> 01:01:08,110
things can you give you know perhaps a

1483
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:10,900
an email address if someone wants to get

1484
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:14,350
in touch with you Phil certainly I think

1485
01:01:21,870 --> 01:01:18,930
I will give you my main email address

1486
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:21,880
and if I receive no emails then hey it

1487
01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:24,510
was nice talking to you guys

1488
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:27,780
hey Phil I'll send you an email

1489
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:29,770
yeah I've been really good tonight

1490
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:32,290
you've agreed yes I've been good yes yes

1491
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:33,610
you've been very well behaved

1492
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:38,440
yes I know him and he's been very very

1493
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:41,230
well behaved Thanks no you are very well

1494
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:47,920
behaved tonight tonight yeah if if you

1495
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:51,010
want to send me an email send it to

1496
01:02:03,270 --> 01:01:57,250
Philip with two L's dot Davidson like in

1497
01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:03,280
Harley Davidson at BT Internet or one

1498
01:02:11,070 --> 01:02:07,480
word.com okay we're going to also put

1499
01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:11,080
that out on our websites and when we put

1500
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:13,960
this up on YouTube which will not be

1501
01:02:20,510 --> 01:02:17,310
immediately it will go there as well

1502
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:20,520
unless between now and then you have a

1503
01:02:26,330 --> 01:02:22,680
website which you want to direct people

1504
01:02:27,830 --> 01:02:26,340
to okay I will I think when you put on

1505
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:27,840
your website I will probably have a

1506
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,810
website by then and I think this is one

1507
01:02:35,180 --> 01:02:32,400
of the reasons why I haven't really put

1508
01:02:37,070 --> 01:02:35,190
anything out there yet is now I feel

1509
01:02:40,850 --> 01:02:37,080
confident enough to offer

1510
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:40,860
AVT okay that makes sense well thank you

1511
01:02:47,060 --> 01:02:43,530
dr. Philip Davidson for this are you

1512
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:47,070
very interesting presentation yeah oh

1513
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:48,330
absolutely

1514
01:02:53,060 --> 01:02:51,210
I think I'll really have to get a few

1515
01:02:55,580 --> 01:02:53,070
people in the family to listen to this

1516
01:03:00,110 --> 01:02:55,590
yeah thank you so much it's a whole

1517
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:00,120
different viewpoint from the people who

1518
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:02,730
are interested that we typically do not

1519
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:06,420
get this is a little bit different yes

1520
01:03:10,610 --> 01:03:08,220
and very interesting and I think that

1521
01:03:13,780 --> 01:03:10,620
there are a lot of people out there that

1522
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:13,790
want you know the do-it-yourselfers

1523
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,200
particularly here in the US there are a

1524
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,240
lot of people who have that pioneering

1525
01:03:23,540 --> 01:03:20,160
spirit want to do things themselves

1526
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:23,550
rather than go to someone else to get it

1527
01:03:28,430 --> 01:03:25,530
done for them as in you know say a

1528
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:28,440
medium no absolutely yeah okay well

1529
01:03:38,090 --> 01:03:31,170
thank you again thank you thank you and

1530
01:03:40,580 --> 01:03:38,100
we'll call you once dr. Phil okay no do

1531
01:03:48,050 --> 01:03:40,590
not call yourself dr. Phil no no I'm not

1532
01:03:52,220 --> 01:03:48,060
the same I like the treatment on the top

1533
01:03:55,580 --> 01:03:52,230
is it very lovely anyhow let's not let's

1534
01:03:58,490 --> 01:03:55,590
not be Labor yes dr. Philip Davidson too

1535
01:04:01,130 --> 01:03:58,500
much and say goodbye for now and then

1536
01:04:07,220 --> 01:04:01,140
we're gonna give our little lost feel

1537
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:07,230
and okay off as well okay okay thank you

1538
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:11,280
thank you I'm not too much else to say I

1539
01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:13,410
went to the festival it was interesting

1540
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:16,440
oh yeah we visited the Pine Bush you

1541
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:18,930
were Fall Festival and maybe shortly we

1542
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:23,370
will have a recording as a special part

1543
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:28,530
of our broadcast numb my toilet talk my

1544
01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:30,690
little lecture there on

1545
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:33,000
extraterrestrial extraterrestrial

1546
01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:35,290
evolution yeah it was very good

1547
01:04:47,130 --> 01:04:37,390
that's nice at a very appreciative

1548
01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:47,140
audience $25 for the ship but I believe

1549
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:50,980
the next time we may have a lady a

1550
01:05:03,090 --> 01:04:54,160
beautiful young lady that I know who

1551
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:03,100
does a lot of work in the area of dreams

1552
01:05:11,460 --> 01:05:08,170
and and that's sort of in a way it's

1553
01:05:14,910 --> 01:05:11,470
almost what dr. Davidson says in a way

1554
01:05:17,970 --> 01:05:14,920
you know streaming you know viewing and

1555
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:17,980
dreams yeah it's it's uh it's

1556
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:21,250
interesting what one analogy you could

1557
01:05:25,590 --> 01:05:23,920
say between this and ufology is that god

1558
01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:25,600
knows there's no money and either one

1559
01:05:30,810 --> 01:05:28,360
now and these people really do do it out

1560
01:05:33,450 --> 01:05:30,820
of a sincere effort to help others I

1561
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:33,460
think and just go on and uncover truths

1562
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:36,400
that are not what you would typically

1563
01:05:42,690 --> 01:05:39,160
get University grants to discover and

1564
01:05:46,050 --> 01:05:42,700
this and this lady's name is nancy smith

1565
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,060
and just another smith who was involved

1566
01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:48,400
with remote viewing it's a very bizarre

1567
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:50,440
thing that there are so many Smith's

1568
01:05:56,430 --> 01:05:53,530
involved with remote viewing but that

1569
01:05:58,830 --> 01:05:56,440
that being said she works in a vein that

1570
01:06:00,600 --> 01:05:58,840
involves dreams and remote viewing so

1571
01:06:04,260 --> 01:06:00,610
we're hoping to have her on next time

1572
01:06:08,250 --> 01:06:04,270
and in addition we will possibly be

1573
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:08,260
talking about a wonderful book that was

1574
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:13,090
written by one of our listeners and may

1575
01:06:20,940 --> 01:06:16,390
have been influenced by some of the

1576
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:20,950
programs we had on so I will put that

1577
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:25,570
out as a teaser oh okay and we'll talk

1578
01:06:33,030 --> 01:06:30,610
more about it next time and now oh okay

1579
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:33,040
from shattered rail a goodbye goodbye

1580
01:06:48,210 --> 01:06:38,010
from Kate and foucha this is shattered